UBB.Developers Forums General Discussion Suggestions and Feedback Our Site is running a lot better now thanks to Astaran

We had a lot of problems in the beginnign with .Threads but we are running great now. The site is as fast as our peers, and we have Astaran to thank for helping us modify a lot of the features that were slowing the site down.

We have disabled search entirely but hope to have it back up in some fashion. Now before anyone disses us about this keep in mind that we have gotten 13,000 members in two years. We get 1500 - 2000 new posts every 24 hours.

Only other thing that is a pain are the moderator buttons we'd like to have them more accessible.

I'll agree and add Kudos for Astaran - he's done several things for my and my server (as has his friend Indy) and they were great. I highly recommend them to my clients.

Congratulations, it's nice to hear that the speed has improved!

I don't have any real input on how to get the search back online, unless you only allow for searches in posts done in the last week or something. Or maybe let users pay to be able to use the search functionality.

One thing I can help with is to direct you to a hack I did for 6.2.2 called Easy Threads Management that puts the thread management buttons directly on the thread so that you won't have to click on the edit button. It isn't a complete solution, but it does ease things a bit at least.

there should be rights for searching depending on which user group one belongs.

Some have no rights, some can search only one forum, or only last week, etc.

This is a crucial feature to control for server load/overload. I hope this gets implemented some time

there should be rights for searching depending on which user group one belongs.

Some have no rights, some can search only one forum, or only last week, etc.

This is a crucial feature to control for server load/overload. I hope this gets implemented some time

The search feature already depends on your rights. You can only search the forums you have read access to.

You could limit the time with some hacking also.

Search: Since we are now on our own server, we put the search back to a point where you can search on two-character terms and longer. It works fine.

New Problem: The Posts Table Index is corrupting daily. Mysql is not crashing. Anyone else have this problem. We rebuild the the right sections but there seems to be an underlying problem?

Hey will UBB pay us $100 to stay with it or shall we chuck in the towel and get VBB.

I will say again that .threads is the least-userfriendly message 'ware we have ever seen and it should be revised by someone who's actually run a message board.

John
misses classic more each day
13,500 members and growing

Does Threads not handle the new versions of MySQL? (4.x)

We are downgrading to the last V3 to see if that's the problem.

Is this message board owned by UBB/ Infopop?

If not I apolgize, but we are getting tired of the crappy unfriendly setup of the message 'ware, and we are actively talking to folks who are beta'ing the newest VBB 3.0 that's coming out and I'm not kidding when I say we might change in the next MONTH.

Moderator buttons suck bad on threads, that's the tip of the iceberg.

Anyone from ubb want to call me?

PSJ
chicago

Our site is www.ls1tech.com

What version of MySQL are you running. Frequent Corruption seemed to be an issue for sure in 4.0.12 I think. But it was fixed with MySQL 4.0.13. I think there was an underlying issue in earlier versions of MySQL. Wasn't really a threads issue though.

If it's a MySQL issue you're having.... you'd have it with VB as well as it also uses MySQL.

If you're on your own server, I'd recommend a professional tuning MySQL. Jeremy also posted some good "how to" stuff on getting this done here in the MySQL forum.

Infopop's site is www.infopop.com and their support forums are at http://community.infopop.net

There is no "official" support here - only support for modifications and hacking. We are all just users like yourself.

V4.0.13 is what we are using.

I see this in another thread:

[]Are you running mysql 4?
If you are you will continue to have this problem. Shutoff all thread cache features in mysql.conf. Threads doesn't deal well with the new way mysql 4 caches querries.
[/]

I run many many sites on 4.0.13 and never have any corruption. One of them has almost 12,000 members and hits peeks of 200 people online at a time. So as long as MySQL is tuned correctly, all is fine.

You said it's your own server, have you tuned MySQL - customized the my.cnf file?

Oh it's a fellow-user forum.

Fellow users, I hate this software. We have hacked the sh%% out of this 'ware and it's still not to the point of where it should be. Shame on me for being brand loyal... I had three .classic sites and they all worked great for years.

I can't let this go too much longer, we are a business and we have over 60 advertisers to also take care of.

Scratch that - I just read the subject of this post. You did have Astaran help you with MySQL.

Astaran is great!

But the number of hacks we have to do, and have done, have far outweighed the initial brand loyalty I had.

I've had to apologize for site since we changed over. Over and over.

We still have sigs showing up in every post... Just another one of those hacks that should be a toggle. One of the 60 or so toggles we wish we had.

I'm making these posts to warn folks away from this software, it totally frikkin' blows!!!!!

If it turns out that .threads can't handle 4.x MySQL and our amount of traffic we are going to CHANGE to VBB!!!!

Threads really has nothing to do with the interaction with MySQL.

If it's a MySQL issue you'll have it with any MySQL based software.

I've done some Modification work with Thumpertalk.com

They've got 643298 posts and 21828 users. I'm 99% sure that we are on 4.0.13. Never really had any problems. There were some server issues a while ago. But Jason from the Diesel Stop (very large site) has assisted in setting up a new dual server that we are moving to. As at peak times the site has about 400 people online.

A Toggle for Signatures will be in 6.4 as well loads of other new features.

But you really should address any issues with Infopop directly. Your particular case is not the norm, and this really isn't the place for it.

I'd suggest either calling Infopop or open a ticket there to discuss the issue. That's the best way to get someone from infopop to speak with you directly.

As Josh said, the corruption of the tables is a mysql problem and not a threads problem. Table corruption usually occurs when mysql gets under very heavy load and can't write the files to you hdd properly.

I own both VB and threads licenses, and I will tell you, with larger forums you will have the SAME problems you are having now, simply because they are MySQL issues and not really software related.

When MySQL 4 was first released and people started upgrading.. you should have seen the flames and complaints going on over at the vbulletin forums, as well as a lot of web host support forums where MySQL was corrupting VBulletin as well.

Also, after having run .threads, .classic, VBulletin, and phpBB on various small, medium, and large sites, .threads beats them all when it comes to speed.

Remember, a lot of this is going to come down to hardware too. Sure, most people can probably get away with single P4 servers with 1 or 2 GB of ram and not have problems, but fact of the matter is, when you start getting very active sites as well as using so many dynamic features like databases, there comes a time when that doesn't cut it anymore.

That is why they make servers with quad CPUs, 16GB of ram, SCSI RAID array hard drives, etc. If every website could run off of desktop type specs, IBM, HP, and other big names wouldn't have such a successful server market.

I have watched my site in the past 2 years go from being hosted for 10 bucks a month, to 30 bucks a month, to 100 bucks a month, to 400 bucks a month and on a dedicated high-end machine.... and if growth keeps going as it is, I could be looking at shelling out for a 7,000 server.

So.. again, I just wanted to stress the fact that chances are the software is not to blame as much as so many other things like hardware, OS, config, and possibly just being underpowered.

PS - If you want me to tell you a little story about a site like yours, drop me a line. But I know a site that has 70,000 members, well over 1.5 million posts... and when they "upgraded" from UBB.classic to VB, their site was down for almost a week, they had to revert back to classic until they figured it out, then tried again. Well... to make a long story short they had to purchase 15,000 worth of server hardware to get VB to keep up to speed, not to mention they had quite a few database corruption issues as well

We downgraded to 3. series mysql and it's not corrupting anymore.

I'll be honest, but I think the anti-VBB folks are spewing BS.

I know folks using VBB who used to use Classic. They all share their performance info with me and it can handle the traffic and it's more of a evolutionary step from Classic than Threads is. I'm not trying to be a jerk here, if UBB came up with a better version of Threads with better built-in toggles, features, whatnot, we would probably try it. Threads as delivered sucks. It's too raw for words.

You can disagree with me but I've been on message boards since late 1997 and watched Chris Frezza at www.camaroz28.com use Classic until he outgrew it.

I'd call Infopop and complain but they don't like to answer the phone and the folks I have talked to don't seem to care. In my mind, let's not be lame and make excuses for Threads. A new Threads user is in for a world of hurt, especially if they are brand loyal and are coming over from Classic. I should have taped the phone calls from Infopop that said it would be a mild conversion...

Perhaps I am out of step with you oldtimers... You are all programmers so maybe you prefer a box of legos vs the paint-by-numbers solution that we wanted.

From what I have seen we are one of the most commerce-driven sites using Threads so I think we have a short fuse when it comes to dealing with shortcomings of the software... We have like 65 SPONSORS.

Just my 2 centavos,

John a car guy
www.ls1tech.com

Well, have fun with VB then, we aren't trying to sway you, just point you in the right direction

My new corporation is soon going to be building a huge network of 50 sites and they will all be using threads, and it will be 100% commerce-driven.

Not sure who you talked to over at IP, but I have dealt with many IP employees and each time they have always been available and have went to GREAT lengths to make sure everything was taken care of.

All I can say is, good luck with support over at VB if you have major issues

Hmm..I switched from Classic to Threads and my users, moderators and me loved it. Go figure... []https://www.ubbdev.com/forum/graemlinlibrary/shrug.gif[/]

[:"pink"] I think this topic should be closed. Remember, vBulletin is poorly coded. We are not biased, we are educated! vBulletin's technical support is even worse. [/]

Some ride Hondas some ride Harleys, to each their own.

The fact of the matter is, we (www.ls1tech.com) will use whatever is good. I'm not trying to start a fight I want the best solution. If one of you folks created your own new messageware and it was great we would consider it. But don't make excuses for Threads I own it and use it too it's delivered in a very raw state. Someone at Infopop could go thru it and configure it, I would help them.

John
www.ls1tech.com
13,600 members
born in 2001

There's larger/busier sites than yours running threads right out of the box - when the server config is done right, it runs well I updated a site Sunday evening with well over 20k members, they love it

What I really miss in UBBThreads is the ability to create nested forums. It would be very convenient in order to build an archive of best threads.

Yes, it would be....