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hey, does anyone who uses bookie's templates have problems with webtv users?

some of my board members who use the god-awful service are claiming an inability to access the redesigned forums via webtv.

Hey Rob

Run it through a validator first and see if errors pop-up, then if there's css, do the same there. That will get most of them

After that's done, let me know if you are still having problems with them infernal web-tv eejits

can do!

...

whats a validator?

http://validator.w3.org/



post your findings and we can update the files to assist

Below are the results of attempting to parse this document with an SGML parser.

Fatal Error: no document type declaration; will parse without validation

I could not parse this document, because it uses a public identifier that is not in my catalog.

Sorry, this document does not validate as HTML 4.01 Transitional.

If you use CSS in your document, you should also check it for validity using the W3C CSS Validation Service.

then, in the CSS (a combo of mine and bookies)

Errors
URI : http://www.robkamphausen.com/ubb/blamblue.css
Line: 127 Context : BODY
Property scrollbar-3dlight-color doesn't exist : #33332e

Line: 128 Context : BODY
Property scrollbar-arrow-color doesn't exist : #1a4191

Line: 129 Context : BODY
Property scrollbar-base-color doesn't exist : #33332e

Line: 130 Context : BODY
Property scrollbar-darkshadow-color doesn't exist : #33332e

Line: 131 Context : BODY
Property scrollbar-face-color doesn't exist : #a2a5a3

Line: 132 Context : BODY
Property scrollbar-highlight-color doesn't exist : #000000

Line: 133 Context : BODY
Property scrollbar-shadow-color doesn't exist : #000000

Line: 134 Context : BODY
Property scrollbar-track-color doesn't exist : #33332e

Line: 199
Parse error - Unrecognized : };

Warnings
URI : http://www.robkamphausen.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi
Line : 48 Level : 1 You have no color with your background-color : body
Line : 79 Level : 1 You have no background-color with your color : .copyright
Line : 97 Level : 1 You have no background-color with your color : .titlebar
Line : 110 Level : 1 You have no background-color with your color : A:hover
URI : http://www.robkamphausen.com/ubb/blamblue.css
Line : 2 Level : 1 You have no background-color with your color : a:hover
Line : 32 Level : 1 You have no background-color with your color : .titlebar1
Line : 39 Level : 1 You have no background-color with your color : .small-font
Line : 47 Level : 1 You have no background-color with your color : .small-font1
Line : 55 Level : 1 You have no background-color with your color : .small-font2
Line : 63 Level : 1 You have no background-color with your color : .descript-font
Line : 68 Level : 1 You have no background-color with your color : .normal-font
Line : 76 Level : 1 You have no background-color with your color : .normal-font1
Line : 87 Level : 1 You have no background-color with your color : .FNL-font
Line : 92 Level : 1 You have no background-color with your color : .post-body
Line : 103 Level : 1 You have no background-color with your color : .categorybar
Line : 111 Level : 1 You have no background-color with your color : .catbar
Line : 126 Level : 1 You have no background-color with your color : BODY
Line : 145 Level : 1 You have no background-color with your color : hr
Line : 153 Level : 2 Redefinition of border-top-style : .form1
Line : 153 Level : 2 Redefinition of border-bottom-style : .form1
Line : 153 Level : 2 Redefinition of border-left-style : .form1
Line : 153 Level : 2 Redefinition of border-right-style : .form1
Line : 154 Level : 2 Redefinition of border-left-color : .form1
Line : 154 Level : 2 Redefinition of border-top-color : .form1
Line : 154 Level : 2 Redefinition of border-bottom-color : .form1
Line : 154 Level : 2 Redefinition of border-right-color : .form1
Line : 162 Level : 1 You have no background-color with your color : .signature
Line : 173 Level : 1 You have no background-color with your color : .time
Line : 180 Level : 1 You have no background-color with your color : .header
Line : 187 Level : 1 You have no background-color with your color : .usertitle
Line : 194 Level : 1 You have no background-color with your color : .catline
Valid CSS informations
body {
margin : 0;
font-family : Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size : 8pt;
background-color : #33332e;
}
td {
font-family : Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-size : 8pt;
}
.buttons {
font-size : 8pt;
font-family : Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-weight : normal;
color : #000000;
border : 1px solid #666666;
background-color : #a0a0a0;
}
select {
font-size : 8pt;
font-family : Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-weight : normal;
color : #000000;
background-color : #a0a0a0;
}
.copyright {
font-size : 7pt;
font-family : Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-weight : normal;
color : #000000;
}
th {
padding : 0;
}
.titlebar {
font-size : 10px;
font-weight : bold;
font-family : Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;
background-image : url(http://www.robkamphausen.com/ubb/blueblam_r12_c21.gif);
padding-left : 4px;
padding-top : 0;
padding-bottom : 0;
padding-right : 4px;
height : 20px;
color : #666666;
}
.bgsub {
background-image : url(http://www.robkamphausen.com/ubb/blueblam_r15_c10.gif);
padding : 0;
height : 7px;
}
a:hover {
text-decoration : underline;
color : #333333;
}
FONT {
font-family : Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif;
}
TABLE {
font-family : Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif;
}
TD {
font-family : Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif;
}
DIV {
font-family : Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif;
}
P {
font-family : Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif;
}
.titlebar1 {
font-size : 11px;
font-weight : bold;
font-family : Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif;
color : #333333;
}
.small-font {
font-size : 10px;
font-weight : normal;
font-family : Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif;
color : #333333;
}
.small-font1 {
font-size : 11px;
font-weight : bold;
font-family : Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif;
color : #333333;
}
.small-font2 {
font-size : 11px;
font-weight : bold;
font-family : Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif;
color : #333333;
}
.descript-font {
font-size : 11px;
font-weight : normal;
font-family : Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif;
color : #333333;
}
.normal-font {
color : #333333;
font-size : 11px;
font-weight : normal;
font-family : Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif;
}
.normal-font1 {
color : #333333;
font-size : 11px;
font-weight : bold;
font-family : Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif;
}
.FNL-font {
font-size : 11px;
font-weight : bold;
font-family : Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif;
color : #333333;
}
.post-body {
color : #333333;
font-size : 12px;
font-weight : normal;
font-family : Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif;
}
.categorybar {
font-size : 11px;
font-weight : bold;
font-family : Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif;
color : #333333;
}
.catbar {
font-size : 11px;
font-weight : bold;
font-family : Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif;
color : #333333;
}
.breadcrumb {
font-size : 11px;
font-weight : bold;
font-family : Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif;
}
BODY {
margin : 0;
border : 0 none ;
padding : 0;
color : #333333;
}
FORM {
margin : 0;
border : 0 none ;
padding : 0;
}
hr {
color : #666666;
height : 1px;
}
.form1 {
color : #666666;
border : 1px none ;
border-style : solid;
border-color : #666666;
background-color : #edeef2;
font-size : 11px;
font-family : Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif;
}
.signature {
color : #666666;
font-size : 11px;
font-weight : normal;
font-family : Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif;
}
.time {
font-size : 11px;
font-family : Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-weight : normal;
color : #666666;
}
.header {
font-size : 12px;
font-family : Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-weight : bold;
color : #222222;
}
.usertitle {
font-size : 10px;
font-family : Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-weight : bold;
color : #666666;
}
.catline {
font-size : 10px;
font-family : Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif;
font-weight : bold;
color : #666666;
}
img {
border : 0 none ;
}
A:hover {
color : #ffffff;
text-decoration : none;
}
a {
text-decoration : none;
}
a {
font-weight : bold;
}

sorry, double post.

the errors with your css file are more likely the cause of the problems with web-tv. Work on that and I'll take a look at the templates. You can check them, just choose a doc-type (xhtml 1.0 transitional should be the correct one).

would "warnings" be a problem? (or is that just the validator being over protective?)

most of the errors in the css are related to the scroll bar colors. those 8 errors indicate that the specific HTML coded color isnt real (but it is! promise! the code, itself, isnt really wrong... just cant be validated (right?) -- the scroll bar colors DO work (at least in IE)

the other error, line: 199, is the last tidbit in bookies style sheet, which says:

but i dunno whats wrong with this part.

warnings and errors can both be significant if it causes the web-tv browser to choke on the whole css file Something similar happened to a threads site last week regarding netscape, once the css was fixed all was happy

hmm... thanks for all the help, double a.

im not sure what else to fix up, tho.

a lotta those warnings are about specifying a background color for, like, text and links (which i dont wanna do, cuz i dont wanna bg).

plus, i dunno what to do with that whole "public identifier" thing.

oy! infernal webtv!

those can be very helpful... in other browsers as well. "transparent" is a legitimate color for the background if you don't want one. Check out this example for what I mean:

https://www.ubbdev.com/threads/php/stylesheets/azure.css

And run it through the css validator:

http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ubbdev.com%2Fthreads%2Fphp%2Fstylesheets%2Fazure.css&warning=1&profile=css2

http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.robkamphausen.com%2Fubb%2Fblamblue.css&warning=1&profile=css2

sweet -- thanks AA.

thus far, i've managed to remove all of the warnings and most of the errors (other than the scroll bar and that other one, which i dunno what to do about)

found this info, below, on this site (re: scrollbars/validation)

Why don't my scrollbar properties, filters, etc. validate?

The CSS Validator validates your style sheet against some profile, e.g. CSS Level 1 or CSS Level 2. Some browser Vendors however extend these profiles by new properties like Microsoft did with the scrollbar-base-color or filter property or Mozilla with the -moz-opacity property. The Validator is not aware of these properties and using them makes your style sheet invalid in terms of the CSS specifications. Either get rid of those properties or live with the fact, that your style sheets don't validate. You cannot have both.

further, i found that applying the "transparent" bg color to some of the CSS options bookie has laid out messed up the tables.

when i applied it to everything that "required" it (according to the validation warnings), the tables seemed all screwy -- not abiding by their defined cells. instead of color 1, color 2, color 1, color 2 going across, it was 1, 2,2,2,2,1

I will check it out if you like, post a link to your css file and let me know where the base blam css ends and your own begins.

As well, I'll look at the templates themselves and make sure they are compliant.

as always, thanks, double a.

here's me link: http://www.robkamphausen.com/ubb/blamblue.css

its really 99% bookie's, i just went in a few places and changed some of the code (like font styles or colors -- added a few sections like usertitle, scrollbars, etc).

one problem (bookie, read heeyah!) was a few of the lower font-family groups were spelled "famly" (the browser seemed to just pick up the word "font" and OK it, but, all the same...).

im not sure if they're still webtv destroying since all the changes you've helped me with tonight (no way to check, except to email my few webtv users and wait til they getta chance).

so, its possible all is well now -- ill keep you updated (lucky you!)

danke

What you might consider is using a seperate css file for just the scroll-bar colors, just in case web-tv is choking on those errors. There's a web-tv viewer at their site as well you can download and get a good idea how your site looks to them. Let me tell you, it'll be shocking the first time, they seem used to it tho.

argghhh... ok, spent all morning setting up a test forum just for this and uploading the files:

http://www.stand318.com/test2/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi

Click on the "valid xhtml 1.0" link at the bottom. It needs a good bit of work to be xhtml compliant, and that could very well be where it's choking for web-tv users (not including the stylesheets). Unless Bookie gets to it before me, I'll get these updated, as they are beautiful templates, but I don't think we can expect that before ubb 6.4. Sorry, there's a lot to be done there

OK, made significant headway on it today:

https://www.ubbdev.com/templates/BLAMice.zip

If nothing else, redo the code from the instructions and upload public_common.pl, public_forum_page.pl, and public_forum_summary.pl - those were worked on the most. I'll look at others when I get a chance.

ok, currently (pre-downloading your latest efforts), my webtv users have been able to post and visit and all that...

but, intriguingly, they cant switch names.

like, if his name is AAAAA, but he has an alternate id as BBBBB -- when he visits the boards, it lists him as BBBBB. so, he clicks on log out, signs on as AAAAA and goes to post... except he's BBBBB again.

its a problem that you'd think could be fixed by deleting your cookies, but... webtv users dont have any (right?).

tho, my main concern was simply the fact that the boards be accessible at all to them (the fraction of webtv users is small enough, let alone the even less significant fraction of webtv users with 2 names).

ill keep checkin on stuff tho

thanks AA!

Give them the direct link to clear cookies

http://www.robkamphausen.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=clearcookies

that might do it... the new templates should help everyone view your site as intended as well.

http://uo.invisionworld.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi

Why does my welcome message seem to have an extra " " in front of it..?
I can't find it in the code, but it seems to be very "out of line".

I'll look at it for you tomorrow if you like, are you using the files I uploaded yesterday? That section is in the code we add in ubb_forum_summary.cgi

No, I used Bookie's original files..
I didn't know what changes you made in the file, so I just used the file from blamoholics.

ahhh.. well, there are some html errors in the original templates that I've been working on Use Beyond Compare to see the differences.

i think bookie just likes all those spaces

when reworking the templates myself, i noticed a lot of them, like the one you mentioned, fellow knight.

i believe the one you mentioned is in forum_summary template -- listed as the " " code

Sorry for the lack of support for these templates, I have really been busy and doubt I will have much time to help. Thanks for all the hard work your putting into these Allen, I appreciate it.

http://uo.invisionworld.com/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi

I'm doubting I'll get any support here, but I've tried adding that top status part of the template because I think it looks absolutely awesome, but I'm having a few problems.. I've uploaded ubb_status.cgi, hacked ubb_forum_summary.cgi and public_forum_summary.pl.

I'm currently having 3 main problems:
1.) Even though a user has selected an avatar, the "user image" doesn't change in that little stat area. It stays as unregistered.gif

2.) The statistic area isn't displaying a user's status.. It just stays as "Your Status is:"

3.) If I have Recent visitors displayed as a category (which is supposed to send it up to that little status area) it sends it ABOVE that area in an extra grey table, and sends the right of the stats up there with it, and still displays it seperatly aswell.

1) Did you chmod the ubb_status.cgi file? (755)

2) Same as 1

3) Upload the public_pntf_summary.pl file that comes in the zip.



----
chances are for #1 and 2 is that you missed a line you need to add, it is not all in the top of the file... there is one line at the bottom part that also needs to be added for it to work.

W00t! With a little work, it works..!
Thanks for the pointers

A few more problems have arrised though..
http://uo.invisionworld.com/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=forum;f=1

1.) What do I have to edit in public_forum_page.pl?
2.) Why does my avatar and status take about a second to load up when yours is instant.. Is there some more code I've missed somewhere or is my server just on the sluggish side?

One last question Bookie, on Blamoholics you have how many registered users there are on your board next to who is the newest member.. I tried to do this but couldn't get it to show how many users had registered.. The furthest I could get was "Registered Members:" Can you point me in the right direction for this?

Can you IM me back on AIM when you have the time? It's not urgent..
- Thanks.

For Number 2, it does the same thing for me. It's usually the last thing to load up on the page.

i was asking the same question awhile back about the registered members not showing up. no fixes yet?

Hrm.. I've deleted Umbrella Online again.
I wasn't happy with the way things were going, sorry to mess you around..

I am having these problems to:

1.) Even though a user has selected an avatar, the "user image" doesn't change in that little stat area. It stays as unregistered.gif

2.) The statistic area isn't displaying a user's status.. It just stays as "Your Status is:"

I chmod the file to (755) made the changes in ubb_forum_summary.cgi but nothing seems to work I can not get the ubb_status.cgi to work ?

There's a little script you have to add in at the bottom of public_forum_summary.pl or ubb_forum_summary.cgi.. I can't remember which. View the differences of your files up to BLAMIce files. It's somewhere in between $pntf_location[2] and $pntf_location[3].

Hmm can't find it, It should be added in the ubb_forum_summary.cgi then I guess, anyone have a idea ?

*sigh* This should fix it up for you..

In public_forum_summary.pl
Find:

.

That should fix your problems.. Upload the hacked file, clear the cache and prey..

hi Bookie great job i love it 1 thing could i ask if u could edit the blueblam_r2_c2.gif and put my forums name in there i do not have that font and am not the best at editing, u can keep the same color for the name just need the name
thanks.
i would like (GamersHaven) for the name.

GamePsycosis
http://www.gamepsycosis.com/
forum.
http://gamepsycosis.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi