UBB.Developers Forums Community Development Programming HTML, CSS, and JavaScript Netscape---No Workee

I know I must have placed some bad HTML in my header section, trying to get these tables to work. BOARD NOT RECOGNIZED IN NETSCAPE. please look at my code and help me. www.imastatefan.com/cgi-local/Ultimate.cgi

i've learned one important rule over my long web design career - screw netscape and their users. i don't even worry about cross-browser capability on most of my sites, unless it's absolutely required.

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parallel parking job
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Hey,

Na I totally disagree with that. There is no excuse for sloppy HTML. NS just doesn't let you get away with things that IE will.

There is still a substantial amount of internet users who use NS. Not catering for them is like shooting yourself in the foot because you simply won't have the NS members you would otherwise had.

80% of most IE/NS browser problems are due to incorrect nesting of tables.

I suggest you run your Header and footer code (which u put into your UBB General Settings) through this HTML validator http://validator.w3.org/

This should help you find the errors and correct them.

BTW it's good HTML practise to put "" attributes. For example instead of Also to specify alt tags.

TotalNewbie

netscape has been a day late and a dollar short for most of their software. using 3-year-old technology on their latest release? c'mon, people...

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parallel parking job
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I agree, netscape is **** . My "Programming for the Web" teacher (who is nice but rather naive) said today 90% of people use IE 5. I doubt this statistic, but its true that IE is far better.

But thats irrelevent. If he chooses to make his site for both IE and NS (without browser-specific pages and such), let him. But it will be hard. The first step, like TN said, is to run your code through a HTML validator. IE has many nice features, but it allows very sloppy code, a mixed blessing.

If you're still having problems, copy the code into a .txt file and post it for download. Embedding code into these threads is a pain, plese don't do it.

It's a crappy attitude like that that will let Microsoft own the web.

If you can't put the effort into achieving W3C compliant code, then very frankly, you have no right at all to call yourself a web designer.

You're right, Netscape 4 is obsolete and a pain in the ass to work with. But if you code in pure W3C HTML without any of that extra IE or Netscape **** , then you're virtually guaranteed to get a page that looks exactly the same in every browser out there, including the obscure ones such as Opera, iCab, and Konquerer.

And I'd like you to show me the three year old code in Mozilla, Matt. I dare you.

i have nothing wrong with letting Microsoft own the web - it would be much easier to design for one platform than 5. also, my profession isn't a web designer, i'm a graphic designer.

as for the 3-year-old code, if NS6 (Mozilla) is the result of 3 years of retooling, then there must be some code in there that's 3 years old, right?

The current Mozilla project has only been coding for a year or so.

Two and a half years ago, Netscape made the code for what was to be 5.0 open source... they tried hacking at it and improving it, but it was just too much work, so they threw it out and started over from scratch.

Before deciding to insult a project, please learn what it is.

4% of the people that go to my site use netscape, i dont even worry about them, there is no reason to use it. IE and Opera are better browsers, and one or the other is available on all operating systems

Hey guys Its a user preference and look around at the freedom we have here in the US but that dosent meen every country has that freedom. do you know why! Its not because we have only one manufacture of anything I think they call that FREEDOM

freedom is fine, crappy browsers are another

Really now?

I use Netscape for a few reasons.

- Responses to my actions are immediate - there is no lag in actions as there is in IE
- Right click menus don't take five seconds to pop up like IE
- New windows don't take five secodns to open like IE
- It uses less system resources per window than IE (when I was running Win98 - I'm on Win2k now and don't need to worry about that)
- It crashes less than IE!

This, of course, is on my computers.... Even with it crashing once or twice a day, Netscape is SITLL more stable, faster, and generally more versitile than IE, in my experience.

Yeah, the rendering engine is aincient, but that doesn't matter.

Oh, and FYI... up to 25% (or 30%+) of the web still uses Netscape as their primary browser. Just because your current audience uses IE more than Netscape doesn't mean there won't be a shift.

You should also be testing in Mozilla. Unless you're using silly MS extensions, your website should work and look IDENTICAL in IE and Mozilla.

The idea here, of course, is to ALWAYS use 100% W3C complaint XHTML when designing pages. That way you NEVER need to worry about what your site looks like, as it must, by definition, look like you describe it.

Seeing as how this thread really has no bearing on the initial post anymore, I'm going to close it. If anyone has a vaild argument against closing it, you can PM me.