#84393
07/03/2002 12:22 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by Brad.loo:
First of all instead of improving ubb infopop has released two products. ubb.t which was just w3t with infopop's name on it. And ubb.x which is ubb with a database BUT you cant download it. Now from what I've seen here at ubbdev ip hosting isn't that good and its WAY overpriced. Do you think we (users of ubb.classic) are to stupid to run a forum with a database back end or something? if no then why not give us what we have been SCREAMING for over a year now?.
Your posting makes no sense and will probably be the reason the thread is closed 
UBB.Classic has seen major improvements in each version since 6.0 and will into the foreseeable future. The interface continues to improve over an already industry-leading standard it set years ago. There's still a huge market out there for message boards that are "newbie-friendly". You might have been on the net 6 months or more, but most people have never visited a message board and just don't know how to "work one". There's still hosts that don't support mysql databases. Many more reasons why a great message board with simple flat files will be useful and needed into any time in the future.
threads is not just w3t with IP's name on it now. the support rick has with threads has allowed rick to make huge leaps in functionality, speed, and interface design in the last few months... v6.3 - v6.4 will be the one to watch for as the v6 series begins to mature.
ubb.x is open topic (not ubb.classic) with a mysql database and actually an excellent choice for a message board if you don't plan to tinker with it much.
As I see the eejits who run "web hosting companies" increase daily, IP's hosting is looking better and better. For just one example I am very famliar with, check this thread:
https://www.ubbdev.com/threads/php/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=webhosting&Number=51478
20-25 cents per day more would have eliminated all of that.
Anything I missed?
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#84394
07/03/2002 12:57 PM
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I really love reading about the comparisons between boards, webhosts, etc.
Seriously.
It makes me appreciate my UBB that much more, AND it makes me appreciate my webhost, too.
Sue
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#84395
07/03/2002 8:18 PM
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I like UBB no doubt about that, but alot of people are changing. Thats the problem. Are you going to take any action on this at all?
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#84396
07/03/2002 10:07 PM
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The issue is not to change UBB as it is the "entry level" product as I see it for IP. Next step is UBBThreads for those needing larger systems. Problem is people do not quite see it this way.
Unfortunatly I see UBBthreads taking off in the future and its development surpassing UBB's own UBBDev as the product to use.
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#84397
07/04/2002 2:43 AM
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I agree, I think threads will get somewhere because of it's database.
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#84398
07/04/2002 3:16 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Lord Dexter:
I like UBB no doubt about that, but alot of people are changing. Thats the problem. Are you going to take any action on this at all?
quote:
Originally posted by Lord Dexter:
I agree, I think threads will get somewhere because of it's database.
In the span of 1 post you answered your own question.
Picture perfect penmanship here.
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#84399
07/04/2002 3:34 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by AllenAyres:
quote:
Originally posted by Brad.loo:
First of all instead of improving ubb infopop has released two products. ubb.t which was just w3t with infopop's name on it. And ubb.x which is ubb with a database BUT you cant download it. Now from what I've seen here at ubbdev ip hosting isn't that good and its WAY overpriced. Do you think we (users of ubb.classic) are to stupid to run a forum with a database back end or something? if no then why not give us what we have been SCREAMING for over a year now?.
Your posting makes no sense and will probably be the reason the thread is closed
UBB.Classic has seen major improvements in each version since 6.0 and will into the foreseeable future. The interface continues to improve over an already industry-leading standard it set years ago. There's still a huge market out there for message boards that are "newbie-friendly". You might have been on the net 6 months or more, but most people have never visited a message board and just don't know how to "work one". There's still hosts that don't support mysql databases. Many more reasons why a great message board with simple flat files will be useful and needed into any time in the future.
threads is not just w3t with IP's name on it now. the support rick has with threads has allowed rick to make huge leaps in functionality, speed, and interface design in the last few months... v6.3 - v6.4 will be the one to watch for as the v6 series begins to mature.
ubb.x is open topic (not ubb.classic) with a mysql database and actually an excellent choice for a message board if you don't plan to tinker with it much.
As I see the eejits who run "web hosting companies" increase daily, IP's hosting is looking better and better. For just one example I am very famliar with, check this thread:
thread at threadsdev
20-25 cents per day more would have eliminated all of that.
Anything I missed?
:rolleyes:
some host may not have mySQL but MOST host are banning flat file forums daily. face it, flat file forums are becoming less used every day. ubb.t may have a database and it may take off. but infopop is not looking at the real issue. users are moving away from them more and more every day. i give ubb.classic 2-3 more years if infopop dosent put a database behind it. but the way i see it. soon they will stop developing it and make us all "upgrade" to one of their newer porducts
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#84400
07/04/2002 4:47 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by navaho.coffee:
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Originally posted by Lord Dexter:
I like UBB no doubt about that, but alot of people are changing. Thats the problem. Are you going to take any action on this at all?
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Originally posted by Lord Dexter:
I agree, I think threads will get somewhere because of it's database.
In the span of 1 post you answered your own question.
The thing is, this should be done to UBB.classic too, not other products making us pay to switch.
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#84401
07/04/2002 6:24 AM
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Exactly. Good call LD.
My UBB is in the process of being taken down because my host told me one more week to get everything situated. I'm a lot luckier than the people who get it all deleted with no notice, but there is no way I am paying $75 for an "upgrade" to UBBThreads. Do you realize a leased license for vB is only $85, while a UBBT license is $229, and to renew every year with vB is only $30 while one to UBBT is $130!!! That is mad, why would anyone who wants to stay competitive overprice like that? Just because IP was the first to make a message board like this doesn't mean someone should pick it over a better, cheaper board run on something that a majority of hosts will accept.
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#84402
07/04/2002 6:35 AM
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Admin / Code Breaker
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Hmm, Dende, sorry to tell you this but it's $100 to upgrade
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#84403
07/04/2002 6:42 AM
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Holy crap! Even more than I thought. Did they raise prices again recently?
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#84404
07/04/2002 8:09 AM
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#84405
07/04/2002 3:57 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by navaho.coffee:
quote:
Originally posted by Lord Dexter:
I like UBB no doubt about that, but alot of people are changing. Thats the problem. Are you going to take any action on this at all?
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Originally posted by Lord Dexter:
I agree, I think threads will get somewhere because of it's database.
In the span of 1 post you answered your own question.
But Threads isn't UBB. I know that you added UBB to the name (instead of wwwthreads) but it isn't UBB. Eventually it will have to happen and I have a few years of members access already paid for so I'll be patient.
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#84406
07/04/2002 8:16 PM
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Or lets just hope there are still alot of UBB-friendly servers still out there.
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#84407
07/05/2002 11:17 AM
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#84408
07/05/2002 11:26 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Brad.loo:
:rolleyes:
some host may not have mySQL but MOST host are banning flat file forums daily. face it, flat file forums are becoming less used every day. ubb.t may have a database and it may take off. but infopop is not looking at the real issue. users are moving away from them more and more every day. i give ubb.classic 2-3 more years if infopop dosent put a database behind it. but the way i see it. soon they will stop developing it and make us all "upgrade" to one of their newer porducts
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what is the "real" issue? :rolleyes: You have no valid proof that "MOST host are banning flat file forums daily." That would mean all hosts banned it in the first week. There are thousands of web hosts out there, name 20 that have banned ubb.classic...
waiting...
didn't think you could either.
ubb runs fine on most well-configured hosts run by competent individuals. If you want a $5-10/month host that stacks 200-300 sites on one server... then you really do get what you paid for. Your blessed little vb will not run well on that host either. Why would anyone pay $200+ for forum software and not spend a little for decent hosting?
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#84409
07/05/2002 11:55 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Lord Dexter:
The thing is, this should be done to UBB.classic too, not other products making us pay to switch.
no other company offers the breadth of software for you to have the opportunity to make that decision... name any other company with 4 forum solutions.
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#84410
07/05/2002 12:29 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by AllenAyres:
name any other company with 4 forum solutions.
why does it matter when a person only needs one, and the cheapest (and "uncomparable") is almost $100 more?
you skip over people's arguments, then try to throw in your own invalid points.
specifically:
vB has a product running off of a more efficient db, while IP's nearest comparable product is still flat-file.
regardless if UBB.t is database driven, it is not available to the average user.
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#84411
07/05/2002 12:34 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by AllenAyres:
http://www.infopop.com/webhosting/
With infopop's hosting service, does infopop give people ftp access to their server? Just wondering.
So if I pay all that money to get hosted by them and for the board, do I get privs to login and modify my files to add mods, etc when I want. Not saying I would though, happy with my current board setup.
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#84412
07/05/2002 12:36 PM
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ubb.x is less expensive than any of the other solutions, what's your point? quote:
vB has a product running off of a more efficient db, while IP's nearest comparable product is still flat-file.
you are still comparing apples to oranges... different markets.
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regardless if UBB.t is database driven, it is not available to the average user.
how is that? explain please
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#84413
07/05/2002 12:38 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by DPK.ducky.quack:
quote:
Originally posted by AllenAyres:
http://www.infopop.com/webhosting/
With infopop's hosting service, does infopop give people ftp access to their server? Just wondering.
So if I pay all that money to get hosted by them and for the board, do I get privs to login and modify my files to add mods, etc when I want.
yes... ftp and ssh as far as I know. definitely ftp. I run a script here for team ubbdev occasionally updating it with ssh.
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#84414
07/05/2002 12:54 PM
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K, thanx for the reply Allen. quote:
You do not have permission to enter this area.
Your doing I assume?  Wish someone told me my privs were removed before I found out myself. I had a nice run with you guys. Keep up the good work. I don't really belong in there anyways anymore I guess, didn't do any work, hehe. Gonna miss the talk though.
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#84415
07/05/2002 1:42 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by AllenAyres:
ubb.x is less expensive than any of the other solutions, what's your point?
however UBB.x is NOT database driven. So as you say, "apples to oranges".
the only product that comes close to the same cost is inferior.
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regardless if UBB.t is database driven, it is not available to the average user.
how is that? explain please
Not many people with personal web pages can spend hundreds of dollars.
do I REALLY need to spell it out?
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#84416
07/05/2002 1:57 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by heretic:
however UBB.x is NOT database driven. So as you say, "apples to oranges".
Actually it is database driven, it's just not available to anybody unless they use IP's hosting.
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#84417
07/05/2002 2:07 PM
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(This post is no longer nessecary - was beat to the punch...)
UBB.classic: Love it or hate it, it was mine.
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#84418
07/05/2002 2:09 PM
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(This post is no longer nessecary - was beat to the punch...)
UBB.classic: Love it or hate it, it was mine.
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#84419
07/05/2002 2:47 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by heretic:
quote:
Originally posted by AllenAyres:
ubb.x is less expensive than any of the other solutions, what's your point?
however UBB.x is NOT database driven. So as you say, "apples to oranges".
the only product that comes close to the same cost is inferior.
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regardless if UBB.t is database driven, it is not available to the average user.
how is that? explain please
Not many people with personal web pages can spend hundreds of dollars.
do I REALLY need to spell it out?
maybe I need to
ubb.x is open topic with a mysql database. You have complete access to the data within and can do quite a bit with it. Please check the info out on it before posting something equally as silly as your first statement:
http://www.infopop.com/products/ubbx/
The second statement isn't as silly, but is not quite logical either. Show me a personal page that ubb.classic can't work for... If you can afford classic, threads is only $30 more.
(ubb.classic is $49 more than vb and threads is $70 more than vb, begging the question, where are you getting your "hundreds of dollars" statement?)
BTW, you can still get a free ubb by winning our content rulez or member spotlight contests... isn't that right x?
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#84420
07/05/2002 4:53 PM
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No, you can get a free renewal. You have to buy a UBB to enter the contest in the first place.
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#84421
07/05/2002 4:56 PM
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true, free member area download privileges for a year... thanks for the correction
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#84422
07/05/2002 5:38 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by AllenAyres:
[QB(ubb.classic is $49 more than vb and threads is $70 more than vb, begging the question, where are you getting your "hundreds of dollars" statement?)[/QB]
Actually... you can get vB for $85(?) a year, and that be it. But whatever.
This whole thread seems pointless to me. If you don't like UBB don't buy it. No one is going to make you. If you already have it, then be happy that you have it. There is no reason to argue over it.
I, on the other hand, own both a vBulletin (unlimited) license, and a UBB license (and use both of them activately at the same time), and I do not like one more than the other. vBulletin I like because it has more features, UBB I like because it is more organized. So both have their advantages and disadvantages.
So go with what product you prefer, and if you REALLY have to say something about Infopop's pricing, then email them or something. UBBDev is not a place for complaints about Infopop's pricing.
Just my 2 cents.
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#84423
07/05/2002 5:41 PM
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And on that note, I'm closing this topic.
If you wish to continue arguing with each other, you can do so in private.
Thank you.
UBB.classic: Love it or hate it, it was mine.
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