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#64663 - 06/10/04 01:22 PM Writing for Google
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One of the reasons I encourage people to ask their questions in the forum rather than handle them by email or pm is for the very same reason this article was written:

Writing for Google

By adding the conversation to your forum (provided of course you turn on SE-friendly url's), you are adding to the www's FAQ/ Knowledge Base and in turn increasing your site's prominence on the net.

There are a few things to keep in mind when pursuing your goal:

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When I talk about writing for Google, I’m not talking about how to achieve a high Page Rank score for your site on the whole. What I’m talking about is writing one article in such a way that makes it the most likely that people who are searching for the information contained therein will be able to find it. Here are my suggestions:

Don’t get cute with the title. Google seems to place an awful lot of emphasis on what you put in the <title> tag in your HTML headers. Ideally, the title should contain the words you think people will use in their queries.

Stick to the facts in the first few paragraphs in the article. I’m somewhat sure that Google doesn’t index entire documents, just the first X words or paragraphs. And even if they do index entire documents, it seems to me they place more importance on the first first paragraphs. The specifics of Google’s indexer aren’t worth worrying about; the point is, get to the point quickly.

If there are any likely search terms that you couldn’t squeeze into the title, try to use them in the opening few paragraphs.
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#64664 - 06/17/04 08:15 PM Re: Writing for Google
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I wonder if moving the site's name to the end of the title string will improve google's ranking of the keywords in your title/post?
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#64665 - 07/21/04 03:24 AM Re: Writing for Google
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How about hacking the code to produce more googlebot friendly code
if you view the source on our board http://www.tubal-reversal.net/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi you will see that the title tag appears at the top and also many other changes that should make for improved spider food.

I would like to read your thoughts on this, and if I may hijack this thread can anyone tell me what RSS is, I can pay for professional help here if it will increase the visibility of out forums on the net?

and which file produces the code
script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript">
document.write(timestamp

thanks for any reply
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#64666 - 07/21/04 11:13 AM Re: Writing for Google
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RSS: http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2002/12/18/dive-into-xml.html

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RSS is a format for syndicating news and the content of news-like sites, including major news sites like Wired, news-oriented community sites like Slashdot, and personal weblogs. But it's not just for news. Pretty much anything that can be broken down into discrete items can be syndicated via RSS: the "recent changes" page of a wiki, a changelog of CVS checkins, even the revision history of a book. Once information about each item is in RSS format, an RSS-aware program can check the feed for changes and react to the changes in an appropriate way.
You can set up a variety of rss feeds for your site using the CI's.
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#64667 - 07/21/04 11:19 AM Re: Writing for Google
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What do you do differently to produce more googlebot-friendly code?
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#64668 - 07/21/04 03:44 PM Re: Writing for Google
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#64669 - 08/02/04 07:52 PM Re: Writing for Google
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here's a question... how long does it usually take for Google and other search engines to spider a UBB?

And, I assume that if your board is login-only the spiders aren't going to be able to view its pages either. Correct, or no?
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#64670 - 08/02/04 08:09 PM Re: Writing for Google
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Correct.

After turning on spider-friendly URLs at Flare, Google and friends picked it up after a few days, and it was about 75% indexed within a week.
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#64671 - 08/02/04 08:57 PM Re: Writing for Google
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thanks smile
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#64672 - 08/04/04 08:50 AM Re: Writing for Google
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Doctor Doom asks: "how long does it usually take for Google and other search engines to spider a UBB?"
How often does googlebot visit you now and how deep does it delve? whilst it may take months to get fully indexed, once your in the loop googlebot will happen by very regular.

AllenAyres asks 'What do you do differently to produce more googlebot-friendly code?"
Just hack the .pl files to produce cleaner code. (nice board you have there at praise cafe) but like all ubb classics out of the box, the title is preceeded by a big lump of .js, one simple change to public-common.pl and the title tag come at the top of the code.


Anyway I am still interested in rss and CI I assume this means content island can anyone point me in the right direction here?

also I still havent found which file produces the code
script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript">
document.write(timestamp

Cheers from Oz
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#64673 - 08/06/04 06:33 PM Re: Writing for Google
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Originally posted by OziBen:

Just hack the .pl files to produce cleaner code. (nice board you have there at praise cafe) but like all ubb classics out of the box, the title is preceeded by a big lump of .js, one simple change to public-common.pl and the title tag come at the top of the code.

so what's the hack? I tried just moving the TITLE code to the top, and i got an internal server error.
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#64674 - 12/27/04 03:14 AM Re: Writing for Google
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With our old ubb that was not being indexed I installed spider hack and within two months thousands of threads were in google and yahoo results.

Mid 2004 we updated and UBB.Classic 6.7.1 came with spiderfriendly urls, then a few weeks later also we changed hosts and the new server allowed us to enable the php accelerator.

BUT all our threads soon disappeared from google

Some of the new urls have been indexed but googlebot still seems to be struggling to index us and I suspect duplicate urls.
our old url style
/boards
now replaced by
cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi
and
ubb/ultimatebb.php

any advice appreciated, wishing
happy holidays and peace on earth,
Ben Walsh
webmaster@tubal-reversal.net
Chapel Hill Tubal Reversal Center
http://www.tubal-reversal.net/
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