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#247880 - 01/10/04 04:19 PM Re: TLD Bv1.5 Released - Threads Links Directory [Re: SurfMinister]
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I finally got arround to looking at the html updates as well as some of the code changes. I've uploaded it to the test site. Very nice work. Thanks for the contributions. I am almost able to start working on the script again to get the desired features in.<br /><br />One question though. When I first began the project I wanted to keep all the files in a seperate folder with links.php being the only file directly within the ubbthreads folder and all other files in a seperate links folder. I felt this was better so as to facilitate upgrades and such. It's apparent that is not the case. What advantage is there by mixing them up with the ubbthreads files? I'm sure there is one, but at the moment I can't see the trees for the forest.
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#247881 - 01/10/04 06:10 PM Re: TLD Bv1.5 Released - Threads Links Directory [Re: ]
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I guess the main advantage is making them follow the threads hierachy and file structure templates languages etc etc.
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#247882 - 01/10/04 11:25 PM Re: TLD Bv1.5 Released - Threads Links Directory [Re: sf49rminer]
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From... <br />http://www.ubbdev.com/forum/showflat...vc/1#Post101199 <br />and explaned right below it <img src="http://www.ubbdev.com/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <br /> <br />"The Links files are now completely inside the UBBT tree and fit correctly with all of the UBBT Tree formatting (the PHP security errors that 'ksanuk' has listed, should now be corrected because of this new file location structure)"

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#247883 - 01/11/04 06:54 AM Re: TLD Bv1.5 Released - Threads Links Directory [Re: VickiSmith]
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Um, I noticed my link was removed. What was it, bad html? <img src="http://www.ubbdev.com/forum/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />
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#247884 - 01/11/04 07:29 AM Re: TLD Bv1.5 Released - Threads Links Directory [Re: ]
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I doubt it would have been bad html. I think if I remember you had it in a paragraph tag outside of all the tables centered. I would think whomever removed it should not have done so without asking you. <br /> <br />Since it is not a copyrighted program anyone using the hack has the right to remove the link from display and most probally would as a sidenote.

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#247885 - 01/11/04 08:15 AM Re: TLD Bv1.5 Released - Threads Links Directory [Re: sf49rminer]
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I was kidding about the bad html. Very well. I didn't realize it would be too much to ask for the link to be retained. I'll keep that in mind from now on.
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#247886 - 01/11/04 09:12 AM Re: TLD Bv1.5 Released - Threads Links Directory [Re: ]
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I think your copyright should have been retained in the distribution here. I was just pointing out that individuals user's who download the mod might remove it since unlike copywrited products like Threads they can remove the link with no adverse repercussions like normal software. I personally think the link to your site is the least they could do for writing the mod. Obviously everyone has an opinion though so maybe the possibility of a config option of whether to display the copyright or not would do the trick. Obviously the person who did the bulk of work on rewriting things while you were gone did not like the copyright and removed it. <br /> <br />Here is an example <br /> <br />What I mean is allow users to choose: <br /> <br />Up top of links.php on the config variables add: <br /> <br /> $copyright = 'yes'; <br /> <br />Down bottom of the links_footer.tmpl you can add this: <br /> <br /> if ($copyright == 'yes') { <br /> print "<p align=\"center\"><font size=\"1\">TLD Bv1.5 by <a href=\"http://www.fish-tails.net\">Fishtails</a></font></p>"; <br /> } <br /> <br /> <br />I found your original files and grabbed the copyright text. I have attached your mod with the copyright on their in a config variable naturally turned on to the first post so people download the latest with copyright info. <br /> <br />Also since I had a few minutes Allen said he went through and got alot of validation errors. I got all the ones on the main links pages show_links and show_cats so they now validate for you.


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#247887 - 01/11/04 02:11 PM Re: TLD Bv1.5 Released - Threads Links Directory [Re: sf49rminer]
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normally I would leave a copyright in for a mod someone did a lot of work on... not sure why it was removed, I think I questioned it in here somewhere <img src="http://www.ubbdev.com/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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#247888 - 01/11/04 02:35 PM Re: TLD Bv1.5 Released - Threads Links Directory [Re: SurfMinister]
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[]AllenAyres said: <br />how do you mean? GOt an example? [/] <br /> <br />Sure, for instance: <br /> <br />When I try to add: http://www.flightattendants.org/photopost/index.php, the program says it's an invalid link, yet when I click on the link it provides to verify, it goes right to that page on my site. Strange. <br /> <br />fishtails, if the code is updated soon I will be happy to download the new version which includes a copyright notice on your work. I was sorta surprised that there wasn't one to begin with but I figured whoever wrote it didn't include it. If I may, I'd like to speak freely here regarding copyright notices. A site with loads of mods can be crowded with copyright this and copyright that and quite frankly, it starts to look untidy. Last fall I decided to ask my Members for an (optional) one-time $10 CDN donation to help improve the site - completely optional - and of the 3300+ Members, almost 90 have come through with anywhere from $5 to $10. It payed for a whole year of hosting, a couple of programs, and several upgrades to my site, making it a better place for all to visit. Those who made a donation are identified in their posts by a special Member status, similar to Josh's UBB Beta Tester .gif, as a gesture of thanks. Along the same lines, you could permit the removal of your copyright notice. That goes for anyone who spent a lot of time working on a popular mod. <br /> <br />I wonder if you would heed Omegatron's advice and make your copyright notice an optional display in your next release? Those who do not wish to have yet another copyright notice could pay you a fee... say $10? You could provide an easy paypal link somewhere in your download or simply your paypal e-mail address. It would be hard to enforce it but it might help cover some of your expenses if enough donations came in. Something affordable enough that almost everyone would have an opportunity to participate. I would certainly be in line to pay you a gesture of thanks. Your program is very similar to HotLinks SQL which is a $65 program. I owuld consider yours similar to an "Hotlinks SQL Lite" if it existed. <br /> <br />Again, nothing personal, it's just that too many copyrights all over your site and it starts to look untidy, IMHO. Food for thought... and why not, you worked hard to provide this code I'm sure. Josh charges for his search engine optimisation code, and excellent mod I might add, and although financially it's probably out of reach for quite a few people, I see nothing wrong with asking for a small fee in order to remove your copyright notice, if that's something you want to consider. You obviously enjoy writing code in your spare time, there's no shame in asking for some sort of financial thanks for those of us who would prefer one less copyright notice on our site if possible. <br /> <br />Another example is that I'd love to have the full-version integrated Sigma Chat with auto-authentication, but the jump from zero to $100 USD per year ($135 CDN) is too much for my pocket book and I don't get enough member donations to cover that, otherwise I'd love to pay that person some money. See where I'm coming from? If it's affordable the masses have the option to participate. Not that I think Josh's code or Sigma Chat's code isn't worth every dime... it's a matter of affordability. If you can consider taking less than it's worth, maybe more will contribute and volume will give you a little more incentive to keep pluggin forward with great code. Hope I'm not tarred and feathered for my suggestion <img src="http://www.ubbdev.com/forum/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> <br /> <br />IMHO, <br /> <br />Jason

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#247889 - 01/11/04 03:09 PM Re: TLD Bv1.5 Released - Threads Links Directory [Re: gingerginger]
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Sky there was a copyright notice to begin with that is my fishtails asked since he had been absent for awhile and mutliple people updated the mod. The problem was somewhere not meantioning names the copyright link was removed. Mods are not copyrighted programs and can be changed. However in good conscience most of us leave any copyrights alone. The remark I made was that while everyone has a legal right to remove any copyright text on mods as they are not patented like other programs it may not morally right to do so in good conscience. The suggestion to make it a configurable option is simply a remark made since I spent too much time on the Photopost website. Michael can tell you those guys want everything to be an option to enable or disable. <br /> <br />At any rate my last post has some XHTML corrections and Fishtails copyright placed back in the mod. It is set to display but you can disable it in the links.php in the configuration settings. <br /> <br /> I though have enabled it set to yes on my site as it is only right after all his hard work on this mod that I at least provide a nice link to his site for Google to play with <img src="http://www.ubbdev.com/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
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#247890 - 01/11/04 03:19 PM Re: TLD Bv1.5 Released - Threads Links Directory [Re: sf49rminer]
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google doesn't play that much anymore.. ever since the Florida incident.. but Josh sure is getting slurped alot he must have paid that 79$ to list your URL <img src="http://www.ubbdev.com/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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#247891 - 01/11/04 03:25 PM Re: TLD Bv1.5 Released - Threads Links Directory [Re: 234234]
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Naw, I just needed examples to support my suggestion. I think by slurped you mean complimented, and yes, I was trying to be careful with my words so as not to insult anyone. By the way, what was the Florida incident? I'm a newbie to UBB.threads... was a .classic user for a couple of years before I hopped the fence. Also, where can I find that serverinfo.php you use? Is it available for d/l anywhere... it's pretty neat and I wouldn't mind verifying my hosts claim that they use P4 3.06GHz processors. <br /> <br />Omegatron, I'll download your update this week when I have time. Working nights tonight and leaving in an hour. Have Monday and Tuesday off though. It's the original d/l link on page one that you updated, right?

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#247892 - 01/11/04 03:27 PM Re: TLD Bv1.5 Released - Threads Links Directory [Re: gingerginger]
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It's actually the attachment to this post.

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#247893 - 01/11/04 03:34 PM Re: TLD Bv1.5 Released - Threads Links Directory [Re: gingerginger]
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[]Sky YYZ said:<br />Naw, I just needed examples to support my suggestion. I think by slurped you mean complimented, and yes, I was trying to be careful with my words so as not to insult anyone. By the way, what was the Florida incident? I'm a newbie to UBB.threads... was a .classic user for a couple of years before I hopped the fence. Also, where can I find that serverinfo.php you use? Is it available for d/l anywhere... it's pretty neat and I wouldn't mind verifying my hosts claim that they use P4 3.06GHz processors.<br /><br />Omegatron, I'll download your update this week when I have time. Working nights tonight and leaving in an hour. Have Monday and Tuesday off though. It's the original d/l link on page one that you updated, right? [/]<br /><br />no slurped means look at the Who's online.. <br /><br />[]<br />Mozilla/5.0 (Slurp/cat; []slurp@inktomi.com;[/] http://www.inktomi.com/slurp.html)<br /><br /><hr /></blockquote><font class="post"><br /><br />slurp is www.inktomi.com's bot.. its a Yahoo company but charges for inclusion <img src="http://www.ubbdev.com/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /><br /><br />the google Florida incident.. ell that I will have to leave up to your imagination but it doesn't resolve around threads....
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#247894 - 01/11/04 03:37 PM Re: TLD Bv1.5 Released - Threads Links Directory [Re: BrokenToy]
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slayer60: Got it, thanks. Will update the Links mod this week. <br /> <br />scroungr: Thanks, will look into the Florida thing when I have more time... I'm curious. Also, I noticed inktomi has done a small crawl on my site (less than 1 mb) but I haven't paid them anything. It's been back 48 times according to my stats. I wonder why it came to begin with? Oh well, can't know everything all of the time <img src="http://www.ubbdev.com/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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#247895 - 01/11/04 04:40 PM Re: TLD Bv1.5 Released - Threads Links Directory [Re: gingerginger]
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scroungr actually I updated the main first link as well to keep things current just as Allen did a week or so back and just because I think Mark's copyright should be back on there.
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#247896 - 01/11/04 05:35 PM Re: TLD Bv1.5 Released - Threads Links Directory [Re: sf49rminer]
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I agree didn't mean to implie I didn't I always leave a copyright note if there is one <img src="http://www.ubbdev.com/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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#247897 - 01/11/04 06:44 PM Re: TLD Bv1.5 Released - Threads Links Directory [Re: 234234]
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Nope did not take it as that <img src="http://www.ubbdev.com/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> Just answering your question about whether I updated the first post as well <img src="http://www.ubbdev.com/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /><br /><br />I may go through the couple remaining files for Mark and make sure this thing again is FULLY XHTML complaint as little changes here or there keeping blowing off the validation.
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#247898 - 01/12/04 01:31 AM Re: TLD Bv1.5 Released - Threads Links Directory [Re: sf49rminer]
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I'm very sorry - but I happen to be the culprit in removing the visible/display copyright notice from the code - although the copyright that appears at the begining of each script remained 100% intact and unchanged. <br /> <br />It was originally done just for display on my personal site and since none of my members have anything to do with programming/coding, nor could they ever afford ubbthreads software and would normaly opt for a freebie forums software if they felt like creating another specifically targeted resource such as what I currently run - i felt that having three lines of copyrite code display at the bottom of the page wouldnt be usefull to my members and may also look quite messy in presentation. <br /> <br />There was no intent in stealing your work - infact I saw your work as so great, that a few weeks after installing it and making so many display updates to it, I came to the conclusion that others would benefit from my small contributions/updates. So I re-uploaded it here, keeping all of your coded copyright notices intact and also including your original files into the archive. <br /> <br />All while doing that and finding that some of my additions to your code needed to be polished so they would work on everyone else's setup and their uniqueness (as mine was also quite unique), that I totally forgot to replace your visual copyright notices back into your scripts before redistributing them. <br /> <br />it was completely unintentional and i sincerely apologize for whatever frustration it may have caused you... that was not my intention - but i hope that this explanation of event sequences makes everything much more clear as how we got where we are now <img src="http://www.ubbdev.com/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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#247899 - 01/12/04 10:41 AM Re: TLD Bv1.5 Released - Threads Links Directory [Re: sf49rminer]
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Can you please verify the structure of this .zip file? There are several copies of each file in different trees, and it's kind of confusing. <img src="http://www.ubbdev.com/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /><br /><br />Thanks!
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