Yup still researching it. But as I said, the html is fine, I guess it's more of a css deal then reconstruction.<br /><br />I'm sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo tired of squares, I wish we could put threads in circles..lol<br /><br />Well maybe not, but you get the ideas. As a designer I HATE being locked into a format.

I think I got it.. <br /> <br />In tbopen put.. <br /> <br /><div align="center" style="width: $width;" class="tablesurround"> <br /><table cellpadding="{$theme['cellpadding']}" cellspacing="{$theme['cellspacing']}" width="100%" class="tableborders"> <br /> <br />And in tbclose put.. <br /> <br /></table> <br /></div> <br /> <br />Then put your values in the css. I was trying to pass em in the div tag before. Checked it in Moz, IE and Opera. One thing, if you have a fixed width for your div line add px to it $widthpx; otherwise if it's a percent then you do not need it. For those wondering why bother, it reduces the amount of nested tables which should make your page load quicker <img src="http://www.ubbdev.com/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

That would work, but it would also completely eliminate table wrapper graphics...

No offense, but wrappers are getting old anyway..

True, but they still look better than not using them...

Matter of opinion I guess, I'm going thru a "less is more" phase..

It kinda depends... done well they'll always look better than the base code, but even a blind-folded monkey can code ugly ones <img src="http://www.ubbdev.com/forum/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /><br /><br />I'm looking forward to what you have in mind... I wanna so some kinda clean and leaning more to a ubb.skin-look myself <img src="http://www.ubbdev.com/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

One thing I try to do in mine, is remove the kludge of nested tables, and use more css to accomplish the same ends. <br />The templates are not up to xhtml standards either, this needs to be addressed as well.

I thought about removing all of the table wrapper graphics, table borders, and using CSS to create different colors for each "area" so you could tell them apart. I'd have to use some graphics to keep the effect from looking square, but I think it would all blend pretty good. Something to play with once 6.5 goes gold <img src="http://www.ubbdev.com/forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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You are a wild man. <img src="http://www.ubbdev.com/forum/images/graemlins/yay.gif" alt="" />

Tableless!?! <img src="http://www.ubbdev.com/forum/images/graemlins/bugeyes.gif" alt="" /> That's sacrilege!

Here is a screen shot to tease you -I should have Facelift for Threads 6.5 finished by this weekend...

One problem, lower res users might have a problem. Like 800x600.

also those who change the size of their reply box.<br /><br />(though i do love the look of it!)

[]J.C. said:<br />One problem, lower res users might have a problem. Like 800x600. [/]<br /><br />I'll try it at low res -but every time I do a survey on my site no one is surfing the web below 1024x768...

[]drkknght said:<br />also those who change the size of their reply box.<br /><br />(though i do love the look of it!) [/]<br /><br />Very few users actually change the size of the reply box -and I do plan on testing it with several different sizes.