<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr><p>Yeah, we can't have everything and still have it all work<p><hr></blockquote><br /><br />That's not entirely true: It just depends on how little sleep Scream can live on []/w3timages/icons/wink.gif[/]<br /><br />Socrates<br />ForumExperts

<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr><p>The real plan would be to have an option for your favorite boards and then the "my w3t" page would be changed to utilize this. You would have links within your start page to show the new messages on your favorite forums. None of this has been really thought out on how it will exactly work, but it will come<p><hr></blockquote><br /><br />That sounds great Scream, but if it takes a three page FAQ to explain how this feature works it could put off a large segment of forum users in general. I still say having a 'View New Messages' button in each board is a wonderfully simple part of the solution.<br /><br />Socrates<br />ForumExperts

In english re means regarding and would probably confuse a lot of new users.<br /><br />Socrates<br />ForumExperts

I don't think it would take much to explain the myW3T feature, if at all... the way I envision it, anyway.<br /><br />Muhammad Chishti<br />Creative dIRECTOR<br />[:white]http://www.imcuniverse.com</font color=white>

Yeah, it is an easy change for those who want it to be RE.<br /><br />Muhammad Chishti<br />Creative dIRECTOR<br />[:white]http://www.imcuniverse.com</font color=white>

So if you only view new messages, how can you know what they are talking about? You have to remember what you read yesterday?<br /><br />Mateo Byler<br />CruceDeCaminos.com

Yeah, very true... I don't have that kind of memory! I have never seen forums that only list new messages... just ones that link to pages containing the threads, or a spot on the page where the new message is. Kind of like it is done here for the recent messages, how it links to the threaded page... easy to get the reply.<br /><br />Muhammad Chishti<br />Creative dIRECTOR<br />[:white]http://www.imcuniverse.com</font color=white>

[:blue]Do you think users will understand what RE means? I guess my real question is, will that look funny where every other heading is spelled out but then on that one column it's abbreviated?</font color=blue><br /><br />Yes, I think they will understand what "Re:" means, not RE, but "Re:". Everytime you get into your email program you see it, you use it everyday. It is a standard. There will be no doubt specially once they see numbers in the column. Anyone who has used email for more than one week knows what it means.<br /><br />Mateo Byler<br />CruceDeCaminos.com

<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr><p> I don't think it would take much to explain the myW3T feature, if at all... the way I envision it, anyway.<p><hr></blockquote><br /><br />Maybe you're right, but not being in your head I don't know for sure. []/w3timages/icons/smile.gif[/]<br /><br />However, my suggestion would require only one sentence to describe:<br /><br /> List New Messages <br /><br /><br />Socrates<br />ForumExperts

Exactly... that's why I'll be changing my froums to Re: ... <br /><br />Muhammad Chishti<br />Creative dIRECTOR<br />[:white]http://www.imcuniverse.com</font color=white>

Yeah, true... but the myW3T will have many other features, too, and to some users the other features might be just as important, if not more important. One of the objectives of myW3T is to clear up the menu bar, by moving the edit profile, and send/check private links to myW3T.<br /><br />Muhammad Chishti<br />Creative dIRECTOR<br />[:white]http://www.imcuniverse.com</font color=white>

<blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr><p>So if you only view new messages, how can you know what they are talking about? You have to remember what you read yesterday?<p><hr></blockquote><br /><br />When a user chooses the 'list new messages only' option it would take them to a 'subject only' listing (much the same as when viewing messages in a board, in collapsed mode). If they see a message title that interests them they select it and it opens the entire thread for that message. When they are done with that thread or message they select 'Index', which returns them to the 'New' message list.<br /><br />If they want to view all messages on a board they simply select a 'List All Messages' option.<br /><br />Socrates<br />ForumExperts

Regarding?!! []/w3timages/icons/shocked.gif[/]<br />Haha. []/w3timages/icons/laugh.gif[/]<br /><br />Mateo Byler<br />CruceDeCaminos.com

Why not just look at the date in the B_Posted field for the message at the head of the thread and see if it is newer than the most recent visit to the board?<br /><br />Bill Dimm, MagPortal.com - [:red]free</font color=red> feeds for your site.

Was it something I said?! []/w3timages/icons/crazy.gif[/]<br /><br />Socrates<br />ForumExperts

OK, that would seem interesting.<br />But I would almost preffer that when you have:<br />[]/w3timages/icons/wink.gif[/] I would like to know... 1 2 3 4<br />when you click on the title itself it takes you to the page where unread messages start. I know this would be very difficult... but as a matter of prefference, that would be the coolest. Maybe impossible because of the threat mode (... oh, I mean "threaded mode") combination with flat. But if it could be done... it would take care of that for me.<br /><br />Mateo Byler<br />CruceDeCaminos.com

Previously the post icon served the dual purpose of giving an identifying image to the thread and showing if there were messages in the thread that were new.<br /><br />I always felt this was superior to UBB which needed two columns, one for the post icon and one for a folder icon which was orangey (not read) or yellowy (read).<br /><br />I don't really see where the image of the word 'new' which used to be in the reply column fits into the whole picture. If it was confusing to some then it could be removed or replaced by the sun-looking picture.<br /><br />MTO and Muhammad put forward the idea. Can you guys explain the benefits of how it looks at the moment to how it looked before.<br /><br />Darren.<br />http://www.bullpen.com.au

Here are a couple of the most common complaints that have been voiced since I've had it the way it was.<br /><br />On some systems, the different colored post icons were hard to distinguish.<br /><br />Using a seperate set of icons for new threads added to bandwidth used on busy forums.<br /><br />There were 2 different places to look if a thread was nor or if it had new messages.<br /><br />I figured by doing it this way then there is one place to look. Users can change the newmarker to whatever they want it to be for their site.<br /><br />-------------------<br />Scream<br />WWWThreads Developer

That's great I'm beginning to see a point to it. A couple of things,<br /><br />1. Which systems were the difference between orange and yellow hard to distinguish?<br /><br />2. When I visit this site, and view a postlist the icons used on the page are downloaded. If I then click on the thread and view in showflat, are they being downloaded again or being retrieved from my cache?<br /><br />3. Where do you look now to see if a thread is new or just has new messages?<br /><br />Finally, being able to customise the newmarker is an excellent benefit to this sytem.<br /><br />Darren.<br />http://www.bullpen.com.au

I'm not sure if it was so much a system problem or a user problem. Some of the emails I get on problems aren't too descriptive. Usually it was something like "some of my users are having a hard time telling what color the icons are". I'm not sure if that is because some are color blind, old, bad monitors, etc.[]/w3timages/icons/wink.gif[/]<br /><br />Icons are normally retrieved from cache once they have been viewed at once. The argument against 2 sets of icons is it wouldn't read from the cached icon if it was a new icon. Obviously, this is minimal because the icon size is small anyways.<br /><br />Right now you just look to the same place. If there is any part of a thread that you haven't seen, be it a brand new thread or a thread that has some unread replies, it will always be in the same place. BillD suggested a different icon for threads that have unread replies and this is something I'm going to see if I can do. Although I'm not sure what type of icon would be used for the default on that.<br /><br />-------------------<br />Scream<br />WWWThreads Developer