Hi, I'm in the process of desinging a site, but I am having lots of trouble making tables. Basically, it's more dependent on content rather than design. Well, I would like to make a table at the top, for a logo, two tables on the left & right, where all links will go and one in the middle for all the news & updates. A Good example to show you what I desire is viewable [Here] . If there are any tutorials on the net or if you know what type of codes I need to use, that would be really helpful. Thanks in advance.

I wrote a good table tutorial:
http://www.thekarp.com/Webmaster/webmaster/tables.shtml

I also wrote one on layout design. You can view them all here:
http://www.thekarp.com/Webmaster/index.shtml

<FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE="1">[ May 19, 2001 11:37 PM: Message edited by: Majik ]</font>

i can't believe that you guys still use tables to lay out your sites. i'll assume that you don't know that HTML is not meant to control the layout, font, color, or margins of your document. you should use HTML to mark up paragraphs, links, and structural parts, etc. of your document. then you should use a style sheet separately to control the layout.

i'm only using html to build the layout, and I'm gonna use ssi and css for the content.
By the way, thanks Majik for those links, they're pretty useful. You've got a good site

but you shouldn't use HTML to build the layout. that's the whole point of my last post!

ok, I'm guessing that I'm being inefficient here. I've never used a style sheet to control the layout of my site. Any info or tutorials on that?

you will learn the way of the jedi soon, my son. follow my lead and visit the sites below, and soon you'll have the force on your side.

webmonkey - great
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c|net builder - good
chp - inspiring
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I cannot thank you enough Matt, thank you so very much for those links! And may the force be with you!

don't worry about it. i know it may look confusing at first, but practice makes perfect, so just stick with it.

i think table still rox! the entire ubb works with table... easy and comfortable

the ubb is wrong.

yes i agree, i use tables, as do many other sites.

i use SSI to include content, and css for the link effects, scroll bar etc etc.

CNCR[CR], just because lots of people use them to lay out their sites doesn't make it correct.

<FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE="1">[ May 26, 2001 04:37 PM: Message edited by: matt jacob ]</font>

Are you saying that style sheets should be used in place of tables for arranging stuff in rows and columns?

And are style sheets supported by all browsers?

css should be used in favor of tables wherever tables would have been used. css is supported by all v4 browsers and above.

matt, ubbdev use tables...

Thanks, matt.

i know we do. i didn't make the layout, only the images.

Tables took over from *eewww* frames(they are badddd).

And, now, css is taking over from tables..

..get with the times!!

I'd have to say RobbieB, that CSS is "Not" taking over for tables, nor did tables take over from Frames. I believe Matt has it right, use CSS for formatting. Tables were designed for structuring data. Although, the argument could be made, that all information being tranmitted down the OCR lines we enjoy so today, could be considered "Data".

I really hate the way UBB destroys tables. I commented earlier, in a different thread about PHP and who's doing what with it.

PHPNuke has the right idea. Their using PHP and MySQL. it's extremely fast (Most all pages load in <0.4secs) and they conform to W3C standards for content delivery. It's not so much how it looks in one browser or another, but that of accessability. There are millions of people that, for one reason or another, have trouble accessing information through the net. The standards are in place to help correct that problem.

If you want to see how badly UBB is with respect to the standard:

Click Here .


Now Compare this Site:

Here Is their Site

Here is The HTML 4.01 Validation Results

Here is the CSS2 Validation

Look aound on their site...They have Tons of information, all formated correctly. Pay attention to the SPEED, It's very fast.


I like all the functionality Open Source provides, and I do like most all the features UBB brings with it. I just wish Ted and company would work on cleaning up their code. I must also admit, my sites don't meet the standards either. That's change soon.

KE1HA

<FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE="1">[ June 17, 2001 05:59 AM: Message edited by: KE1HA ]</font>