Yes, but wouldnt u think that firefox would be displaying the page incorrectly if the coding was not met to the w3c standards?? from my experience i have found IE to display my "messy/sloppy" code alot better than firefox.. I know my code is NOT w3c certified and it will take me some working to get it to that point, I can do this but i still believe there has to be something more too it for Internet Explorer not to display it and for firefox to.. Any other input would be great but ill go ahead and make my site to the w3c standards. Where u refering to XHTML or HTML under the w3c standards??